shoutingjar:

prioritizinglife:

just-shower-thoughts:

Saying you identify with the opposite gender, means you hold stereotypes about the opposite gender.

Gender is an idea… Just a thought we attribute to the physical self; your psychology can be whatever you believe it to be… He, she, or we; let’s stop assigning something so small minded to something that so unimaginably big, indescribable, and endless

i don’t mean to put you on the spot and like, you don’t have to answer – seeing as you seem to be running a fitness/zombie blog or whatever, but this – this is exactly the kind of bs that makes no sense to me.

what the hell does this even mean? ‘a thought we attribute to the physical self’

like… appearance or fashion kind of attributing to the self? because we already have words for that. words like “fashion” and “style”

or like… what? literally what is gender that isn’t covered by a different word

unless gender is just a grouping of a bunch of specific styles/preferences/appearances, in which case, that’s a form of gender essentialism, which is a fine answer to the question of “what is gender” actually, but it’s one that no one seems willing to give because well, it’s gender essentialism and that means you can be doing a specific gender wrong.

if gender is “indescribable” then it is, by definition, useless. It has no psychological value and certainly,  certainly, no social value, as social value relies entirely on ideas being able to be shared between more than one person. If something cannot be described, then it cannot, by definition, be shared or communicated.

If gender is personal and internal in its entirety, and by definition not something anyone else can see or know or experience, then by definition no two people can really say they have the same gender.

It’s the most fucked up Emperor’s New Clothes/Beetle In a Box thought Experiment I’ve ever scene.

if gender is “unimaginably big, indescribable, and endless” how the hell has so much of the population settled on one of two genders that they all agree on more or less being just two things? Even though it is completely impossible for two people who say they are girls to communicate what it means to be a girl?

Or is it possible to communicate what it means to be a girl or a boy or whatever else?

And if so, for the love of god and all that is holy

would someone please do that out loud/online and not in whatever strange extrasensory gender sense some people seem to claim exists?

Look, @prioritizinglife – I don’t know if this is an answer to the “what is gender” question you’ve come to after a lot of soul searching or fruitless research or if it’s something you picked up somewhere off this dumb blue website, and as stated before, you don’t need to answer me.

I’m mostly just venting

venting 5 years of frustration at this dumb Wittgensteinian nightmare that is apparently so much a core part of everyone’s identity that no one has bothered to ever explain or define clearly.

and that’s not your fault. Unless you’re an academic in a gender studies department

in which case get your ass down here and fight me.

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“dumb Wittgensteinian nightmare“ I love this phrase!!!!

I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this and the best I can come up with
at the moment is that ‘gender identity’ is best described as ‘identification
with the cultural artefacts that a society normally associates with a given
sex’.

By cultural artefacts I mean physical things (hair, makeup, clothes etc) and
non-physical behaviours (being nurturing, submissive etc).

This way the definition exists without validating gender as being anything
innate.

Some people believe that gendered behaviour and tastes are innate, but if
one attempts any critical thought about this we end up down an infinite rabbit
hole. Gender is seen by others as a social construct i.e. that there is nothing
innate or natural about it, but it exists only because of social convention.
Intellectually and philosophically this is a much more robust explanation. Now
just because something is socially constructed doesn’t mean that it doesn’t
exist, just that it isn’t natural. Sadly gender is very real and women have
been oppressed by these socially constructed expectations for millennia. Sure
we all have our own core identity and personal tastes, but these are unique to
us all and are not innately sex specific.

We all hold stereotypes about the opposite sex – we are culturally
indoctrinated to do so, and unless one takes the time to properly deconstruct
gender it’s easy to see how identification with these stereotypes, these artificial
socially ingrained beliefs, could lead somebody to believe that they must be the
other sex.

The thing that saddens me most is that ‘trans’ people and radical feminists
have such an overlap in goals – the deconstruction of gender and the removal of
socially constructed barriers to freedom – but this difference of understanding
of gender as being something innate as opposed to something created by men
causes such hurt.

Of course it’s women who recognise this and their voices are always
silenced.

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