lesbian-lizards:

transavant:

dudebrosunited1:

transavant:

vulvapunk:

dudebrosunited1:

lesbian-lizards:

dudebrosunited1:

In essence, what exactly distinguishes the cross-dressing autogynephile from the “real transwoman”? I would really like to know.

Perhaps the sexual aspect? Some trans woman may not get sexual gratification from living as women, and I would consider that a notable difference.

Fair enough.

But, then again, if a cross-dresser and/or autogynephile “identifies” as a woman, we’d have to consider him to be one, despite the sexual gratification he might get from it.

actual sex/body dysphoria.

That’s the flaw in identity politics. Cross dressing autogynephiles would be mortified at the thought of getting their old man lopped off whilst those with sex dysphoria tend tp see it as the embodiment of masculinity and want rid of it.

I don’t know if I had “actual sex dysphoria”, but I did have that dreadful feeling of “being in the wrong body” throughout my puberty, wanted to “become female”, actually considered an OP for a short time (which, naturally, I couldn’t afford). But despite all the times I put on “women’s” clothing or makeup, I didn’t feel any less male than before nor did it alleviate the horrid feeling.

Maybe I should have asked a different question: what distinguishes the cross-dressing autogynephile from the “real transwoman” in terms of actually “being less male” than the other.

Nothing. None of us are any less male. Sadly one can’t identify out of biology. But this shouldn’t matter – once we deconstruct gender and understand that it is really just a set of artificial expectations we can be free of it and free to express ourselves however we like without the need to think we are the wrong / other sex . And autogynephilia gets a bad rap IMHO as long as people are honest about it, don’t claim womanhood and don’t harm others then it’s not really a problem. It’s the dishonesty around it that’s a problem.

I mean, on the one hand, [autogynephilia] as a fetish it may not be the worst one out there. A male envisioning himself as a female for sexual gratification seems fairly harmless at first glance (certainly moreso than people who pretend to be children), but upon further inspection you usually do find that the fantasies are nearly always wrapped up in pretty misogynistic ideas about female submission. But I suppose there are variations that come off as less offensive to women? (and the autoandrophiles I’ve seen have mostly been yaoi nerds which may be offensive to some gay men but maybe not to males in general?)
When it comes to autogynephiles harassing/appropriating lesbians that’s where I have to draw the line full stop. But I do agree with you that it could be much less of an issue for everyone if there was less dishonestly, claiming of womanhood/lesbian identity, and entitlement to female spaces.

Yeah appropriating lesbian identity makes me puke.

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